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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on Technology, History, &#8220;Development,&#8221; and Ethan Zuckerman&#8217;s &#8220;The Internet is NOT Flat&#8221; by Taran Rampersad</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Very well written and poignant. This is much of my issue with these strategies being used - and it isn't just Ethan. We wrote together for a while at WorldChanging.com (on the team that won the Utne), but we do seem to have very different perspectives on things. 

The OLPC, which I have been a harsh critic of, is one of those many things. Still, he is a nice guy and yes, he does mean well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well written and poignant. This is much of my issue with these strategies being used - and it isn&#8217;t just Ethan. We wrote together for a while at WorldChanging.com (on the team that won the Utne), but we do seem to have very different perspectives on things. </p>
<p>The OLPC, which I have been a harsh critic of, is one of those many things. Still, he is a nice guy and yes, he does mean well.
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on Technology, History, &#8220;Development,&#8221; and Ethan Zuckerman&#8217;s &#8220;The Internet is NOT Flat&#8221; by Dave Hudson</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Curt &amp;#38; Chris, I'm grateful for your comments.  Thank you.

Chris, I certainly recognize (and indeed tried to acknowledge) that digital communication technology can serve as a handy tool in a whole bunch of contexts.  I think what I question is the whole narrow definition, within the sort of &quot;digital divide&quot; discourse, of what &quot;being connected&quot; means -- namely, the presumption that communications networks didn't exist before, or don't exist outside of, the colonial/imperial systems under which people in the majority world live(d).  It's sort of like the presumption that a community in which people make zero in monetary income (the whole &quot;Dollar a day/money in people's pockets&quot; development strategy) is a poor community; or the notion that a community that contributes very little to the GDP is necessarily &quot;not productive&quot;; or  -- and this is especially relevant for our thinking as librarians -- the idea that a community with a lack of books is &quot;information poor.&quot;

Before we throw laptops or paycheques at problems, it's important to understand what the problem is and check the assumptions that underlie the ways in and criteria by which we measure it.  I agree that &quot;Being connected may mean finding a partner in the next village, town or country, or across the globe, to work together on solving a problem.&quot;   But one of the fundamental misunderstandings of &quot;Western&quot; development work has been that the poverty and misery inflicted upon the majority world are related to a lack of resources -- that aid campaigns that &quot;feed the world&quot; or chuck grains of rice at folks are going to help because they don't leave folks to their own resources.  The great scientist and seed activist Vandana Shiva makes these points far more cogently in the speech of hers to which I linked (see the 2nd last paragraphy of my post for the hyperlinked phrase &quot;whether “development” is best defined in terms of material and monetary accumulation.&quot;)

I do appreciate, Chris,  that your post at least points to need to recognize that local creativity and know-how.  But I think we need to look beyond the idea that a lack of resources is the problem or necessarily even a large part of the solution.  Being connected to the internet may help find folks who can help with a particular problem, but we do need to ask ourselves this: &quot;Are the problems in the majority world *really* related to a lack of community or shared understanding or resourcefulness?  Or is there something else going on?&quot;

Ultimately, yes, we need to be global in our outlook -- but we also need to be historical as well as critically self-reflexive.  On the latter point, we need to hold out that fundamentally held assumptions about wealth and technology might not hold out to be the case.

It's good that we're talking.  I like that.  And total props to Appropedia.org folks for chiming in ...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt &amp; Chris, I&#8217;m grateful for your comments.  Thank you.</p>
<p>Chris, I certainly recognize (and indeed tried to acknowledge) that digital communication technology can serve as a handy tool in a whole bunch of contexts.  I think what I question is the whole narrow definition, within the sort of &#8220;digital divide&#8221; discourse, of what &#8220;being connected&#8221; means &#8212; namely, the presumption that communications networks didn&#8217;t exist before, or don&#8217;t exist outside of, the colonial/imperial systems under which people in the majority world live(d).  It&#8217;s sort of like the presumption that a community in which people make zero in monetary income (the whole &#8220;Dollar a day/money in people&#8217;s pockets&#8221; development strategy) is a poor community; or the notion that a community that contributes very little to the GDP is necessarily &#8220;not productive&#8221;; or  &#8212; and this is especially relevant for our thinking as librarians &#8212; the idea that a community with a lack of books is &#8220;information poor.&#8221;</p>
<p>Before we throw laptops or paycheques at problems, it&#8217;s important to understand what the problem is and check the assumptions that underlie the ways in and criteria by which we measure it.  I agree that &#8220;Being connected may mean finding a partner in the next village, town or country, or across the globe, to work together on solving a problem.&#8221;   But one of the fundamental misunderstandings of &#8220;Western&#8221; development work has been that the poverty and misery inflicted upon the majority world are related to a lack of resources &#8212; that aid campaigns that &#8220;feed the world&#8221; or chuck grains of rice at folks are going to help because they don&#8217;t leave folks to their own resources.  The great scientist and seed activist Vandana Shiva makes these points far more cogently in the speech of hers to which I linked (see the 2nd last paragraphy of my post for the hyperlinked phrase &#8220;whether “development” is best defined in terms of material and monetary accumulation.&#8221;)</p>
<p>I do appreciate, Chris,  that your post at least points to need to recognize that local creativity and know-how.  But I think we need to look beyond the idea that a lack of resources is the problem or necessarily even a large part of the solution.  Being connected to the internet may help find folks who can help with a particular problem, but we do need to ask ourselves this: &#8220;Are the problems in the majority world *really* related to a lack of community or shared understanding or resourcefulness?  Or is there something else going on?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ultimately, yes, we need to be global in our outlook &#8212; but we also need to be historical as well as critically self-reflexive.  On the latter point, we need to hold out that fundamentally held assumptions about wealth and technology might not hold out to be the case.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good that we&#8217;re talking.  I like that.  And total props to Appropedia.org folks for chiming in &#8230;</p>
<p>Dave
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on Technology, History, &#8220;Development,&#8221; and Ethan Zuckerman&#8217;s &#8220;The Internet is NOT Flat&#8221; by Chriswaterguy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Clearly these things are tools - none are &quot;The Answer&quot;. I can't speak for Zuckerman (I haven't heard or read him on this) but my take is that:
 
  internet 
+ laptops 
+ information resources (esp Wikipedia) 
+ info, how-tos and a community of practice in appropriate technology (esp Appropedia.org)
+ local know-how and creativity

...added together, offer a lot to the world in general, and especially those without our advantages in education, connectedness, and the ability to solve any problem with our paycheck. 

That's especially who are currently isolated and dependent entirely on their own resources. Being connected may mean finding a partner in the next village, town or country, or across the globe, to work together on solving a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly these things are tools - none are &#8220;The Answer&#8221;. I can&#8217;t speak for Zuckerman (I haven&#8217;t heard or read him on this) but my take is that:</p>
<p>  internet<br />
+ laptops<br />
+ information resources (esp Wikipedia)<br />
+ info, how-tos and a community of practice in appropriate technology (esp Appropedia.org)<br />
+ local know-how and creativity</p>
<p>&#8230;added together, offer a lot to the world in general, and especially those without our advantages in education, connectedness, and the ability to solve any problem with our paycheck. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s especially who are currently isolated and dependent entirely on their own resources. Being connected may mean finding a partner in the next village, town or country, or across the globe, to work together on solving a problem.
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		<title>Comment on The Expo by Glerum</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, it seems i scored about as much as you did at the Expo! Just a few pens to add to my already extensive collection. With all the pens i own, one would almost expect that i did a lot of writing. I suppose i could do a lot of writing, but then there are always so many more interesting things to read than my own writing. And besides, isn't that what computers are for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it seems i scored about as much as you did at the Expo! Just a few pens to add to my already extensive collection. With all the pens i own, one would almost expect that i did a lot of writing. I suppose i could do a lot of writing, but then there are always so many more interesting things to read than my own writing. And besides, isn&#8217;t that what computers are for?
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		<title>Comment on Rumour Mill by Ann Hemingway</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The big shot was the PM. Saw security detail in elevator on my way to the Friday night reception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big shot was the PM. Saw security detail in elevator on my way to the Friday night reception.
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on Technology, History, &#8220;Development,&#8221; and Ethan Zuckerman&#8217;s &#8220;The Internet is NOT Flat&#8221; by Curt Beckmann</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dave, what a great post and critique!
I'm aware of Ethan Z's work mostly through his blog - I have not heard him speak.  I am aware of the historical backdrop of failed international development.  I can see the value of at least touching on that.  I can also imagine the desire to spend the inadequate (even for Q&amp;#38;A) speaking time dwelling on the past versus what's possible.  Much has to do, of course, with the audience.  If the audience is aware of the past (hey, we can hope) then worth explaining why or how things can be different.

Thanks also for the reference to Appropedia.org (the &quot;majority world&quot; reference, for your readers).  As you can imagine, we're pretty keenly aware of the limited connection we have (at least so far) with the majority world.  We are aggressively working to improve that situation through addition of languages spoken in the majority world, and will also be working toward better support for cell phone access.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, what a great post and critique!<br />
I&#8217;m aware of Ethan Z&#8217;s work mostly through his blog - I have not heard him speak.  I am aware of the historical backdrop of failed international development.  I can see the value of at least touching on that.  I can also imagine the desire to spend the inadequate (even for Q&amp;A) speaking time dwelling on the past versus what&#8217;s possible.  Much has to do, of course, with the audience.  If the audience is aware of the past (hey, we can hope) then worth explaining why or how things can be different.</p>
<p>Thanks also for the reference to Appropedia.org (the &#8220;majority world&#8221; reference, for your readers).  As you can imagine, we&#8217;re pretty keenly aware of the limited connection we have (at least so far) with the majority world.  We are aggressively working to improve that situation through addition of languages spoken in the majority world, and will also be working toward better support for cell phone access.</p>
<p>Curt
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		<title>Comment on From our President Don Kinder by Daniel</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for the praise Don. I think that it should be reserved for Brenda Mahoney who did a fantastic job  organizing the eventand Glenn MacDougall, who helped make it happen. I cannot forget the speakers      ( Laura, Jennifer and Flavia) and the attendees as well - what would we do without them ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the praise Don. I think that it should be reserved for Brenda Mahoney who did a fantastic job  organizing the eventand Glenn MacDougall, who helped make it happen. I cannot forget the speakers      ( Laura, Jennifer and Flavia) and the attendees as well - what would we do without them ?
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		<title>Comment on OCULA 2007 Spring Academic Librarians Dinner - April 26 by Daniel</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You make a good point. Traditionally we seldom have Friday or Saturday events because they were not well-attended. The OCULA Board is exploring all possibilities including holding some dinners outside the GTA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a good point. Traditionally we seldom have Friday or Saturday events because they were not well-attended. The OCULA Board is exploring all possibilities including holding some dinners outside the GTA.
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		<title>Comment on OCULA 2007 Spring Academic Librarians Dinner - April 26 by Amanda</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi!  This sounds like a really great event and I'd really like to attend.  However, is there a possibility that next year's event could be held on a Friday or Saturday?  Not all members of OCULA live in Toronto!  It isn't very practical for those of us who live outside the GTA to get there for a Thursday night and have to be at work the next day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!  This sounds like a really great event and I&#8217;d really like to attend.  However, is there a possibility that next year&#8217;s event could be held on a Friday or Saturday?  Not all members of OCULA live in Toronto!  It isn&#8217;t very practical for those of us who live outside the GTA to get there for a Thursday night and have to be at work the next day.
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